D3VE Heads no port work, I will home port these heads.

There's many people on here smarter than me on this, but if i was you i would atleast try to go with a set of DOVE-C heads. By the time you port the d3ve's you probably wont even end up at the size of the dove's. We did the swap on a truck and it really made a big difference.

 

I ran a #2800 '66 Mustang built the same way. Had a 10" 3500 Fairbanks converter in a C-6 (I use C-4's now). It had untouched D0VE heads, a Port-O-Sonic intake with a Dominator adapter, a set of TRW 2443's with the dome still on, a set of crappy home-made headers, & a .620 lift flat-tappet solid lifter cam. First run was a 10.77 & it was a junk-yard dog. It's easy to get a lighter car with one of these things to haul

 

Shoot with a car that light you could almost use a stock big block LOL.

I would ditch the D3VE heads and get some DOVE heads.

The D3VE can be used but it takes a really good porter.


The rods are gonna be iffy at 6500.

There is more help to be had at www.network54.com/Forum/85220

This is a big block ford forum.

Greg Havemann

 

Your long block is the same as mine and with those heads as is you will not see 600hp.I'm making right around 400 with a 750 holley.Btw with my slugs .015 below deck it comes up to 10.5 to 1.

 

Only problem with the 385 forum is if they don't build it, it won't work & they really pe=refer to spend a ton of $$$ on their cars. Also, my stock rods have never given me a problem & I can abuse a lawn mower to no end. I duplicated my old 466 for well under $3K several times. If you need some parts or part #'s feel free to pm me.

 

Well qtrmiler,

I don't know why you feel that way about the 385 forum. I built my motor for well under 3K and I'm expecting about 500 fwhp. Many of the guys on there are as cheap as I am and many seem pretty open to discussion. But hey to each there own.

Back to the original question.
There is a kick-ass site on how to port DOVE-C heads as well as most ford big block heads. http://www.reincarnation-automotive.com/

According to the flow numbers on that site you can make 700hp with a good port job,2.25 intake and 1.75 exhaust valves on a DOVE-C head.

You really don't need to spin a big block 6500 rpm to make 500-600hp. 6000 is what I will limit my 429 to (and I have a shorter stroke). I am also using a Weiand stealth since I am not going to spin over 6000. If you want to spin that high be my guest there is plenty of hp to be made but you should really get a big cam .700 lift range at least and a lot of duration to take advantage of the high rpm range.

I really am skeptical about stock rods even with ARP hardware, shot peening etc. at that RPM level. It is a gamble, I have heard some that take stock rods to 7500 rpm and then I have seen the resulting disaster of doing so on stock rods, so be warned.

I have been working on my 429 fox body transplant for some three years so I have acquired a lot of info. Feel free to email me.

Greg

 

In the last 490 we built (4.5x3.85)we used truck rods with ARP bolts. We floated the pins in the rods (no bushings)by honing slightly. Left the line @6000, shift @6700 or so. 175+runs NO problems.

 

On 2003-08-13 22:02, gregh429 wrote:
Well qtrmiler,

I don't know why you feel that way about the 385 forum. I built my motor for well under 3K and I'm expecting about 500 fwhp. Many of the guys on there are as cheap as I am and many seem pretty open to discussion. But hey to each there own.

Greg

To put it simply, I was told I had spent so much money & I shouldn't try to help anyone. $7K on a low 9 second car? Was told my experience wasn't worth a crap? Doing 429/460's since 1979? Was also told I couldn't get a stock, non-CJ/SCJ in the 13's (13.0

, was repeatedly told how poor Blue Thunder heads were but still ran 10.44 at #2800 with a .520 lift cam. Other than Scott & Dave Mclain, I don't think there's anyone over there worth asking. Most just buy parts & have not done much on a dime racing. You're right this IS my opinion, but close to 25 years with big block Fords, & I doubt most guys there all put together have my experience, I believe I might know quite a few tricks they'll never know. BTW for what it's worth mt stock SCJ maked over 430 horsepower at the rear wheels & with slicks, a carb & headers ONLY has run 13.03.

 

Huh,

Well I respect you opinion. Has it been a while since you've been there or is this a recent occurence? Anyhow, I like the fact your stock SCJ was making 430 rwhp with a "small" cam.
Was the car a boat (heavy) or what?

My combo is as follows:

429 .030 over
TRW flat tops
DOVE heads, stock valves, worked over pretty well
shold be 11:1 or a tad more
non-CJ stealth
850 dp
2" long tubes
.560 cam solid cam with a decent amount of duration
C6 with transgo kit, R servo, and the good lever (OK I forgot which one)and a 3500 10" stall
roller rockers

This is all going into an 83 mustang with manual brakes, manual rack, no accesories

People tell me I'll be lucky to run 11's

We'll see. . . .

Wouldn't want to clue me in on some of your tricks would ya? LOL (half-kidding!)

Best of luck,

Greg

 

lucky to run 11's with that?

Dont listen to "some people" With everthing asembled and working working right you will run way into the 11's unless your racing at 6000 ft and its 100 degress out.

Keep the forum informed please I would love to build a big block for the 81 I have.

 

My car is more than a boat, it's a land yacht! At the drags they call it the U boat! '70 Cyclone Spoiler 429 SCJ Super Drag Pak, all stock except headers, carb, & slicks. I loved it when everyone told me I couldn't get into the 9's without #20 of nitrous

Ran 9.20's on an easy day

My problems with the 385 forum were 2 years ago. I still have contact with Scott & some of my flow #'s are at his site. I enjoyed my time there but these guys here are a lot easier on my when I jump on my soap box & let it rip

 

Land yacht! ROFLMAO

Seriously that is a sweet car! Someday I want to get a big car like that, I like the Torinos.

May car will be ugly but it should run like a scalded dog. I was originally planning on doing some street racing with it but since I started the project three years ago they have cracked down on street racing so much I don't know if I want to risk it. Plus its not exactly stealthy with a 5" cowl. LOL

The 385 Forum seems to be a little friendlier now. I do like this forum as well its just been a while since I've visited, I've been kinda focused on the big block for some time now.

Was the 9 run on juice or is that all motor?

U-boat I'm still laughin' My friends all say my car is gonna be a boat at 3300 lbs. hahaha

Greg

 

Qtrhors,

Thanks for the interest. If you want some insights I'm open for discussion. I have learned quite a few things with the big block fox body swap.

For example,
I am using the motor plates to set the motor back but this is a PITA to mount accessories with. There are some good side mounts out there now.

Also I think I would have gone with a C4 or a Toploader if I had to do it again.

The funny thing to me is it is easier to change spark plugs on the big block than it is on my other car which is a 5.0. Also the price difference between big block and small block is almost nill now.

Later,

Greg

 

Great

Ive sen a few of these fox chassis stangs with 429/460's and they just seem to cant help but go fast. One guy put a junkyard 460 long block with a mild hyd cam, dual plane intake and stock exhaust manifolds in a 87 hatchback and it ran 11.60's

I seen this car in person...it was a a real budget beater with a 9 inch that was too wide and the slix stuck out way to far. You know...those guys that can throw ANYTHING together with basicly free "throw away" stuff and make it work

Ive also seen a 86 hatchback with a 514 crate engine(king demon carb and 2 1/8 in long tubes) had a glide with a "tall" 1.76 1st gear and 3.73 gears(set up for a small n2o shot). It went 10.40's at 134 mph 1st time out on the motor .

Im liking the looks of the standard(side) motor mount install the with the K member spacers.

 

Yeah,

That guy Bob who makes the K-member spacers had a pretty sweet set of side mounts he may market that may be the way to go.

Greg